Irresistable force rules

Since we were discussing rules, I thought I would bring up this one for all the Skaven (and now beastmen) players out there. I was just re-reading the magic section and I think that you do NOT need to meet the casting value to get a spell off on double 6s.

Question: does a spell cast on 2 sixes go off even if it doesn't meet the casting value? Acording to some redshirts at the bunker, no.
Acording to the rulebook, however, yes.
Page 107:
"So far we have seen that spells are cast by rolling a result equal to or more than the required casting score. In Addition, there are two special rules that apply to wizards when they cast spells: these are irresistabel force and miscasts."

The "in additon" implies that there is more to the story than what we have seen "so far", but it doesn't answer the question either way.

However, further down page 107: "When rolling to cast a spell, any result of two or more unmodified 6s means that the spell has been cast with irresistable force. THE SPELL IS CAST SUCCESSFULLY and the enemy cannot attempt to stop it working by dispelling it as described below."

The same point is re-iterated on page 109. Anyway, thats why I like checking the book over another guy near the table, even if his shirt IS red...

You need to meet the casting roll is the way that I have always played and I have not played anyone that does not think that as well.

One refrence you could use to the rule is in the high elf book where it says if you roll any doubles the spell works irresistably but it has to meet the casting value.

So thats they way I think it should be played.

The other interpretation, is that you have to have used enough dice that it will be possible to meet the casting value.

So say your spell goes off on a 15, throwing 2 dice and getting sixes wouldn't be possible, but if you throw three dice and get 6,6,1 you'd have the irresistible.

I read that magic will be changing a lot in 8th so this may not matter too much longer.

Yeah its going to be crazy the new rules are getting to be a little whacky, I herd all ward saves are nullifed by magic attacks of any kind

joko12 wrote:

Yeah its going to be crazy the new rules are getting to be a little whacky, I herd all ward saves are nullifed by magic attacks of any kind

that kinda makes good sense though

it really is a dead issue I've been told there will be no confusion in what you will need to cast a spell.

On a related note thou you need to meet the casting value of the spell for the spell to go off.
Irresistabel force means you cant dispell it.

Just my two cents: I interpret the rule as written AND I agree with Martin in that you have to be throwing enough dice to have casted the spell otherwise. (It wouldn't make sense to get IR for the Dreaded Thirteenth spell on two dice )